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dennisbb · Apr 19, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Heres one from me aswell now that were at it

romeus petrus · Apr 20, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Athrun Feya

And the Deep record is held by PuGs. Which is more impressive?

I fail to see the relevance.

Athrun Feya · Apr 20, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

I fail to see the relevance.

You would. But food for thought romeus, food for thought.

NiukNiuk · Apr 21, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

38 min urgoz hard mode, with our "Roundup team" (8P, 3N, 1Ele):

(click the picture to see it in full size)

I Eclipse The Sun · Apr 21, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Athrun Feya

You would. But food for thought romeus, food for thought.

So what you're actually trying to say is you made a totally wrong statement?

Also, stating you ran with Pugs is pretty much Not-Done as you were in a team with some of the best Deepers guildwars has produced? Xiao Blood Yu, Yoko Grey, Xerox Teh Sorcerer, ...

Racthoh · Apr 21, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by NiukNiuk

38 min urgoz hard mode, with our "Roundup team" (8P, 3N, 1Ele):

(click the picture to see it in full size)

That is pretty epic.

Snow Bunny · Apr 21, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by NiukNiuk

38 min urgoz hard mode, with our "Roundup team" (8P, 3N, 1Ele):

(click the picture to see it in full size)

Gotta give you credit on that.

That's fairly amazing.

Carboplatin · Apr 21, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by NiukNiuk

38 min urgoz hard mode, with our "Roundup team" (8P, 3N, 1Ele):

(click the picture to see it in full size)

gogogo paragons

MMSDome · Apr 22, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

Beat SMS personal record and supposedly tied the Non-Ursan fow record, C/D this please.

NON-URSAN:

PS: My derv has pro play time if you didnt notice

feedmenow · Apr 22, 2008, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by Athrun Feya

And the Deep record is held by PuGs. Which is more impressive?

I think the term PUG is rather vague, do you mean a full group of strangers who just happened to be awesome and could do everything right banded together to get a record?

On my part, I may have missed a screen or something that shows a PUG totally owning, otherwise, care to elaborate?

halbatross · Apr 22, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by feedmenow

I think the term PUG is rather vague, do you mean a full group of strangers who just happened to be awesome and could do everything right banded together to get a record?

On my part, I may have missed a screen or something that shows a PUG totally owning, otherwise, care to elaborate?

No, it is a group of people who know each other and do that mission regularly. Not what I would consider a PuG, since it's not random nor a pick-up group. I've gotten a 19 minute time with this group several times now, so it's now the time to break for us.

hurric · Apr 22, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Ok this is not about time since our time wasn't good but it's about showing Non Ursan/Non consumable teams who use other professions than holy trinity (Sin in elite pve? para? ) can clear UW. We tried HM once but failed at 4 horsemen because signet of humility and pressure. Will try again HM and try to do faster NM because we were doing quests in no order and running around a lot.

Richardt · Apr 22, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by NiukNiuk

38 min urgoz hard mode, with our "Roundup team" (8P, 3N, 1Ele):

(click the picture to see it in full size)

Wow.

That is just awesome.

Care to share builds

Athrun Feya · Apr 22, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by I Eclipse The Sun

So what you're actually trying to say is you made a totally wrong statement?

Sorry, remind me again. Who was trolling? I could say more about your whole post but I don't wish to offend anyone.

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Originally Posted by feedmenow

On my part, I may have missed a screen or something that shows a PUG totally owning, otherwise, care to elaborate?

Both Deep and HM UW records are from "PuG" groups, I believe. That aside, the statement was simply set up to defend against the arrogance of certain guilds

Richardt · Apr 22, 2008, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by hurric

Will try again HM and try to do faster NM because we were doing quests in no order and running around a lot.

Having a cohesive path certainly helps. We shaved about an hour off of our FoW time with the right path. We were on our way to an under two hour time when one of monks DC'ed right as we aggroed a big group near the burning forest/Slaves of Menzies quest

MMSDome · Apr 22, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Richardt

Having a cohesive path certainly helps. We shaved about an hour off of our FoW time with the right path. We were on our way to an under two hour time when one of monks DC'ed right as we aggroed a big group near the burning forest/Slaves of Menzies quest

one of the biggest mess ups some time is being TO careful. You dont want to avoid groups to the point where it may take more time then just to kill them or where one guy accidentally aggro's and gets killed. Some times its better to just kill a group as it doesn't take a lot of time.

romeus petrus · Apr 22, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Athrun Feya

Sorry, remind me again. Who was trolling? I could say more about your whole post but I don't wish to offend anyone.

Both Deep and HM UW records are from "PuG" groups, I believe. That aside, the statement was simply set up to defend against the arrogance of certain guilds

That depends on your definition of a "PUG". Having a few random experienced players who are willing to follow instructions in a 8-12 man team composed of people who have done a certain area over and over again and know each other's build and plan well.. hardly qualifies as a regular PUG imho.

PS. Try less smileys next time.

Game N Die · Apr 22, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

Beat SMS personal record and supposedly tied the Non-Ursan fow record, C/D this please.

Congrats on your 52 min. time there, but I visited the question of "formatting" the friendly competition on this post, and nobody appeared to be interested. So is your format simply "Non-Ursan"? It appears that consumables are acceptable. If you are going to limit yourselves on the skills/resources you can use, why not just go: no pve skills, no cons. At least this would seperate your build type to a greater degree than just not using one particular skill. What I'm trying to say is that if everyone wants to devise an "Open" and "Limited" format, why not just propose the limitations that you will place for the second format. If you do not do this in at least a semi-formal way, then all your post is doing is saying that you can go not quite as fast as the fastest time.

Just curious, because your post may be construed to have some derogatory connotation towards people who utilize all the tools made available by Anet.

- Tain - · Apr 22, 2008, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Game N Die

Congrats on your 52 min. time there, but I visited the question of "formatting" the friendly competition on this post, and nobody appeared to be interested. So is your format simply "Non-Ursan"? It appears that consumables are acceptable. If you are going to limit yourselves on the skills/resources you can use, why not just go: no pve skills, no cons. At least this would seperate your build type to a greater degree than just not using one particular skill. What I'm trying to say is that if everyone wants to devise an "Open" and "Limited" format, why not just propose the limitations that you will place for the second format. If you do not do this in at least a semi-formal way, then all your post is doing is saying that you can go not quite as fast as the fastest time.

Just curious, because your post may be construed to have some derogatory connotation towards people who utilize all the tools made available by Anet.

It's nothing against people who use the skill, we just won't use it for various reasons. For myself, it's not so much the overpowered nature - I just dislike the principle of the Blessing skills. Replacing your skill bar makes having 7 other slots for all the other skills mostly pointless. It's not fun, and for me the best part of GW is synergy - both on your bar, and how your bar interacts with your team's. We also don't run a terra or sin to solo the burning forest for the same reason. It's just not very GW in my eyes.

We say non-ursan not because we think that makes us better than everyone else, but just because that's the context. It makes a big difference, primarily in our ability to split. A clean run with ideal spawns would land us between 45-50 mins with our current build - not faster than the "record" time, but I'm much prouder with that than if I'd been in the fastest run.

As for no cons/PvE skills, we've talked about it and will probably do it sometime. We play purely for fun, though, so we use everything we can to our advantage - just not the methods that we don't find fun. Who knows, maybe one of these days we'll also run a splitting group with ursan and a solo and blow that record out of the water

But that really just doesn't appeal to me.

Please, don't turn this into an ursan debate. This is purely an explanation of my view of why we do it the way we do, and why we post it the way we do.

Game N Die · Apr 23, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

Thanks for the response, Tain. No, an Ursan debate is actually the furthest from what I wish to get going so thanks for that last line for ALL to read. My motive to raise this issue is actually along the lines of jealousy toward what the pvp crowd gets, as far as the sponsored tourneys arranged by Anet (I think). I was actually hoping that we could come up with a couple of different formats in pve style play that would help attract a larger crowd to this thread. Let's face it, there are plenty of people on either side of the ursan fence. If everyone could agree on a format of play that was limited in it's build construction, then more guilds may be more interested in competing using that format. The greater amount of community involvement that we can generate here, maybe, just maybe Anet may take notice and show some of us PvEers some love, too. I know it's a long shot, but so is hoping to get a voltaic spear from slaver's, but that hasn't stopped me